Quote Originally Posted by Gotch View Post
Iran obtaining nuclear weapons will inevitably lead to a much larger, much more deadly conflict than any strike against their current sites. Iran with nuclear weapons is a world-wide disaster for sure.

I actually (truly) found myself laughing out loud (really) at some of the bias trite in the links
one quick for instance. One of the link references Mohammed Badwan. You do know that is a middle eastern urban legend....right? Apparently the folks who run the linked site don't.
The Logical Sceptic: Pallywood - Mohammad Badwan

Let the US take care of it, Israel needs to mind their own, most of it is talk IMO.



And I missed the part of it being a myth? I've read nothing that said it didn't happen, he was strapped to the vehicle to try and stop them from throwing rocks. The only thing your link "proves", is that the story was used several times, even though I could find the links to them and it's just going by the word of what it says...so it still happened, but used more than once? Now to the site itself, have you looked at it? I'm hoping you're not a regular reader, because it's a million times more biased than what I put up, which was that story was from wiki.




In April 2004, human rights activists from Rabbis for Human Rights reported that Israeli soldiers used 13-year-old Muhammed Badwan as a human shield during a demonstration in the West Bank village of Biddu,[92] by tying him to the front windscreen of their jeep with the purpose, according to the boy's father, of discouraging Palestinian demonstrators from throwing stones at them. A picture of Badwan tied to the jeep was published in the Daily Mail. On July 1, 2009, Amnesty International stated that Israeli troops forced Palestinians to stay in one room of their home while turning the rest of the house into a base and sniper position, "effectively using the families, both adults and children, as human shields and putting them at risk," the group said. "Intentionally using civilians to shield a military objective, often referred to as using 'human shields' is a war crime," Amnesty said.[93] Such actions are condemned by human rights groups as violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention.[94]

The Israeli High Court has issued an injunction against the practice, but human rights groups claim the IDF continues to use it.[94][95] During the 2008-2009 Gaza invasion known as Operation Cast Shield, Israeli military forces continued using civilians as human shields. According to testimonies, Israeli forces used unarmed Palestinians including children to protect military positions, walk in front of armed soldiers; go into buildings to check for booby traps or gunmen; and inspect suspicious objects for explosives.[96] "You cannot exploit the civilian population for the army's military needs, and you cannot force them to collaborate with the army", said Aharon Barak, President of the Supreme Court of Israel.[87][97]

According to testimonies submitted to B'Tselem during the 2006 war in Gaza, Israel Defense Force soldiers used six civilians, including two minors, as human shields during an incursion into Beit Hanun. Two boys, one aged 14 and the other 16, were ordered to lead soldiers into an area where a heavy firefight with Palestinian militants had just taken place.[94][98]

According to testimonies collected by Amnesty International and Breaking the Silence[99] Israeli soldiers used Palestinian civilians as human shields during Operation Cast Lead in 2009[100][101]. IDF says it investigates alleged abuses wherever specific detail is given, and that "dozens" of investigations are currently under way, some involving military police.[102] Judge Goldstone's 525-page Report on Operation Cast Lead also concluded that Israel used Palestinians as human shields. The report dismissed Israel's own investigations into the incidents as not credible and called on the UN Security Council to investigate[103].



Firing into civilian populations on purpose? Killing civilians holding white flags? Being completely careless with their bombings? They have their own Gitmos too I all of that are some pretty strong cases for what I'm talking about, I know somethings are just "casualties of war" (which I hate, but still) but these instances seem completely unnecessary.